in-ten-tion:
peachy-political:
You can’t support trans men whilst saying you hate men.
Trans men are men, not a subcategory of men.
Saying you hate men includes trans men.
op, i am in no way angry or trying to be hostile because i get what you are trying to say in this post, but, you CAN say you hate men even if you are not transphobic? coming from a trans man myself, when a person says they hate men, it absolutely does include trans men, because trans men are not suddenly incapable of sexism and violence against women just because they are trans. and being supportive of the trans community while also pointing out that all men, regardless of their gender idenitity, are capable of disgusting behavior is not mutually exclusive.
we as trans men still benefit from some degree of male privilege whether we want to admit it or not, and we mustn’t let our transness become an excuse for sexist behavior. i have met and seen plenty of trans men who adopt op’s thinking where they think they are exempt from criticism towards men because they are trans, which actually goes against their “trans men aren’t a subcategory of men” belief because they are seperating themselves from behaviors they think only cis men are capable of. it’s not woke, and it only does more harm than good.
now, this is not to say that trans men do not face any kind of discrimination or violence because of their transness, which is something that should be looked at through the lenses of a “trans experiences are different than cis experiences” mindset. but just because we face discrimination does not mean we are not capable of the same kind of behavior. we must hold each other accountable and call out our male friends, trans or not, that exhibit harmful behavior towards women.
and just as an end note, when people say they “hate men”, they obviously do not mean All Men. however, there’s enough men that either are sexist and violent themselves or enable that behavior to drive these sentiments. if you are getting upset by these statements, then perhaps you are part of that population of men that these people are talking about.
I never said it made them transphobic. It just makes them sexist.
We aren’t talking about misogyny, we’re talking about misandry.
I don’t know why you felt the need to type all of that out when almost none of it is relevant. Don’t turn a post where the topic is sexism against men into one of sexism against women.
“they obviously” then don’t say it. That is an incredibly old and nonsense cop out. If you don’t hate men, don’t say you hate men.
If you hate sexism or violence, say it.
I’m a cis women who has experienced and witnessed male abuse in a place where its a problem. I still don’t try to justify misandry. If you assume everyone that is against sexism towards men is a abusive male, you have a problem and bigoted bias you need to address in yourself.